McChrystal in Aspen: ‘Afghanistan a post-apocalyptic nightmare’

ASPEN — Looking relaxed in civilian clothes, retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal took questions about his resignation in stride Saturday at a private function at the Maroon Creek Club golf course in Aspen.

Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal. (U.S. Army photo)

The four-star general was the featured guest at the Forstmann Little & Company cerebral confab where, for more than an hour, he answered questions from PBS interviewer Charlie Rose. The two were seated on a small stage in an open-air tent in front of a rich and powerful crowd that included Martha Stewart, Peter Ueberroth, Monica Seles, David Stern, Karl Rove, George Lucas, Daniel Snyder, Julian Robertson, Michael Ovitz, Alan Greenspan, Andrea Mitchell, Chris Mathews, Michael Eisner, Padma Lakshmi and Ted Forstmann, the Forstmann Little co-founder and IMG CEO who hosted the event.

“You make mistakes allowing situations to occur,” McChrystal said. “I’m about moving forward.”

McChrystal stepped down as top commander of the war in Afghanistan in June before resigning from the Army the following month, after a Rolling Stone article exposed derisive comments directed at the Obama national security team. An internal probe of the episode found that the “most egregious” comments in the article were not made by McChrystal or the senior officers on his staff. The magazine article did not quote McChrystal saying anything overtly insubordinate, but it did attribute several disparaging comments to unnamed senior aides within McChrystal’s camp in Afghanistan.

One audience member at the Forstmann Little event stood up and asked McChrystal if he were Obama, given the totality of the circumstances and all that the general knows, would he have fired himself.

There was a pregnant pause. Then the general cracked a smile and replied: “Several times.”

The crowd laughed before the room returned to seriousness.

“I offered my resignation and when he accepted it, I felt comfortable because that’s what I was supposed to do,” McChrystal said.

Rose’s discussion with the general predominantly dealt with Afghanistan.

“Right now, it doesn’t exist,” said McChrystal, noting the perpetual state of civil war that has embroiled the country ever since the late 1970s. “Afghanistan is in some kind of post-apocalyptic nightmare.”

Gen. Stanley McChrystal, right, and Charlie Rose in Aspen. (Photo by Troy Hooper)

He said the people there have mixed feelings and a sense of distrust for the United States, which aided opponents of the pro-Soviet regime there in 1979 and then overthrew the Taliban in the fall of 2001.

“There is a gap in their expectations. There is a rising frustration from the people there,” he said.

But McChrystal said Afghans “are absolutely opposed to the Taliban” and ultimately seek stability.

He said how the United States proceeds from here is up to the policymakers, not the military. But he noted,“We are there now. Twenty-eight million people matter.” Stabilizing the country “can be done.”

McChrystal added that President Obama provided him with the number of troops he requested when he was in Afghanistan. And he acknowledged he had once pressed for commando operations in Pakistan.

“I think I was wrong,” he admitted.

The region along the Afghanistan and Pakistan border — known as the Tribal Areas of Pakistan’s North-West Frontier Province — has long been thought to be a potential site where the Taliban could be harboring terror mastermind Osama bin Laden. But McChrystal said U.S. forces moving into Pakistan would trigger a “xenophobic backlash” that would be counterproductive.

“In my view many leaders in Pakistan want us to succeed, but they’re hedging their bets because they’re not sure we can pull it off,” McChrystal said. “Iraq was hard. Afghanistan is complex.”

In case you were wondering, McChrystal doesn’t know where to find bin Laden, or if he’s even alive.

“I don’t know where he is,” the general said, joking that it took a long time to find Olympic Park bomber Eric Rudolph and he was hiding in the woods of the United States, not the Afghan mountains.

McChrystal, now teaching a leadership course at Yale, explained how he went to great lengths to limit the collateral damage of U.S. operations, sometimes to the chagrin of other military leaders. “To win the counter insurgency, you have to win the support of the people. It’s difficult to win the support of the people if you’re killing them,” he said.

That can be troublesome, as insurgents often try to trick U.S. forces into killing civilians. “It’s the matador and the cape: If the bull keeps running at the cape, he’s going to tire himself out,” he said in reference to terrorists shooting at U.S. soldiers from civilian-occupied buildings, then quickly exiting.

While McChrystal did show a bit of a soft side, he didn’t mince words when relaying how he watched the video of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and his men behead American businessman Nicholas Berg.

“We figured out who all of them were and we went out and killed them,” the general said.

McChrystal also demonstrated an adroit ability to dodge a question. When Rose asked whether Hamid Karzai was “a plus or a minus” for Afghanistan, McChrystal answered: “He’s the president.”

“He may be the best retail politician I’ve ever seen,” the general later elaborated. “The Afghan people want to believe in their president. … Getting around the country was often an epiphany for him” because the Afghan people welcomed Karzai with open arms, then hammered him with complaints.

Throughout the discussion, the crowd showered McChrystal with ovations and words of gratitude.

With blue skies, sunshine and picture-perfect mountains around him, the general offered this:

“We could have done better,” he said of the players in charge of the Afghanistan war. “In retrospect, I’d get everyone together, take them to Aspen — because this is a nice place — and I’d have everyone go mountain biking.” Maybe that, he said, might have ameliorated relations between his men and Obama’s.

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About the Author

Troy Hooper

Troy Hooper covers environmental policy for the American Independent News Network. His work has been published in The Denver Post, Rocky Mountain News, Huffington Post, San Francisco Weekly, Playboy, New York Post, People and dozens of other publications. Hooper has covered the Winter Olympics in Italy, an extreme ski camp in South America and gone behind the scenes with Hunter S. Thompson on election night in 2004. Born and raised in Boulder, Hooper has a bachelor's degree in English from the University of California at Santa Barbara.

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